This family tree is not only the work of the compiler - special thanks
must go to Freddy Burke, Yardfield, Clonlara, Co. Clare, Ireland
(researching Burke family).
John Burke, 95 Walnut Rise, Griffiths Avenue, Dublin. Co Dublin,
Ireland (researching Burke family).
Peggy Cockran 71 Manning Baptist Village, 8 Robinsons Road, Baxter,
Victoria 3911 Australia (researching Burke and Shine family).
David Moloney Ireland; Stephanie Moloney Ireland
(researching Burke and Moloney family). firstname.lastname@example.org
Paul Robert Herstein, USA <PHerstein@aol.com>
(researching Burke family).
Linda Burke, 9011 Maritime Court, Springfield, Virginia 22153 USA
Linda has more information on this family and would pleased to be assist
others with research (researching Burke family).
Tony Martin Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. e-mail <email@example.com>
(researching Dowling and Burke family).s
Marie Boyce (dec. 2007), 15 Fairy Street, Warrnambool, Victoria 3280.
Australia (researching Sheehy and Shine family).
Padraig Kenny, Drumcoura, Drumshanbo, Co. Leitrim, Ireland.
(researching Hanrahan and Shine family). <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Terry Shine, RMB 1420, McAlinden, Via Colie WA 6225 Australia
(researching Hanrahan and Shine family). <email@example.com>
Bernie & Gail Quigley, 2895 Glenlake Rd., Victoria BC Canada V9B
4A9. (researching Shine family). <firstname.lastname@example.org>\
Jeni Vanyai, Morwell, Victoria, 3840 Australia (researching Hanrahan
and Shine family). <email@example.com>
Michael Raleigh, 49 Willmington St. Newmarket. Qld. 4051 (Tel. 07
33564482) email <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(researching Shine family).
Dr. Gerard M. Vaughan .Melbourne Victoria, Australia
(researching Vaughan family. <
Pam Boyle Towradgi, Woolongong
NSW 2518 email@example.com
Cathy Tyma <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Kathleen Mason, 4/20 Orchard Rd., Bass Hill. NSW 2197 aAustralia
Helen Bowes <email@example.com>
Mike & Robyn Coffey 20 Bushlark Street, Aroona,
QLD 4551 Australia
This tree was compiled by Kate Press, 71 Claremont Avenue, Malvern
Victoria 3144 Australia. It is not complete and is an on going project.
Notes and photos will be added as time permits. The author welcomes
correspondence, corrections and comments.
Many birth dates had to be estimated and where this occurs
ten years either side of the given date is assumed to be a probable date of
birth. Prior to civil registration Christening/Baptism dates have been
used. Christening/Baptism dates most usually occur within twelve
months of the birth but not always. Sometimes a Christening/Baptism will
occur many years after the birth.
The original family data was organised using The
Master Genealogist program and the web site using the new TMG web
page generator, Second
Site. This program allows fast and simple fine tuning of many
TMG (ver 4 and 5) features.
Burke and Shine
family photos [indicated by a graphic in the photo index]
||Parish history and description coming soon
St Senan's Roman Catholic
Understanding errors in records
In genealogy one of the first things to understand is that the
information given in primary and secondary source records is not always correct.
These records include:
Names, dates, places, age and relationships, found on birth, death, and
marriage certificates, census forms, wills and probate documents, gravestone
inscriptions, shipping lists, naturalization records, school records,
employment forms etc.
This occurs for a variety of reasons. Our ancestors were not interested
in providing information to the authorities English or otherwise And
they were not into providing information for future family historians. The
cold hard facts are that they were trying to survive and make their way in
very difficult times or, as emigrants, were cutting out and improving their
future in a new homeland.
The marriage certificate is considered to be the most accurate because
they are filled out by bride and groom but if they were unable to read
or write or if one party had something to hide the information may be
incorrect. Other errors in a early church records occurred when the
priest/vicar filled in the information after the event sometimes a month
after the event. My great-great-grandparents, John Robinson and Mary
Collins, were married on 20th Jan 1814 but the entry was transposed with the
marriage of James Parsons and Mary Buck. See In the example below:
(entry number no 9 in the parish register)
20th Jan 1814 Marriage of James Parsons (bachelor) and MARY COLLINS (spinster)
both of this parish,
(entry number 10 in the parish register)
20th Jan 1814 Marriage of JOHN ROBINSON (bachelor) and Mary Buck
(spinster) both of this parish
From the above it appears that the entries 9 and 10 were filled in
after the event and the parties to the marriage were inadvertently mixed
Death records are the most notorious for errors as they are filled in by an
informant who may or may not be related and even the relatives get the
information incorrect, particularly elderly relative whose memories are
clouded. Other errors occur because some people hide the truth or are ashamed of
their humble beginnings.
Birth records also contain errors and omissions. Sometimes a date of
marriage is altered to hide the date of conception or a place name spelt
incorrectly. The most misleading error I have encountered was a birth
certificate which included a spouse, his occupation, date of marriage and
location when in fact, the marriage never occurred. That sent me off on a
very wild goose chase.
Baptismal names were often Latinised e.g. Maria for Mary,
Eugenius for Owen and Anna for Anne.
Naturalization Records: emigrants filled out these documents well if they could.
If not, they probably had the clerk in the court house do it for them and if
the clerk understood the accent, they might be correct..
Errors can occur when calculating an ancestors age from shipping records as
some emigrants put their ages down to gain cheaper fares.
Another dilemma is caused by dates given in different records that do not
agree. For example: the year of birth calculated from the age given on a shipping
manifest differs from the year of birth calculated from age at death given on a death
Also difficulties can also occur because of the lack of precise information:
for example: when
an ancestor just stages his age to the nearest 5 or 10 years.
Locating a birthplace can be difficult; problems often occur because the emigrant and/or the
authorities did not consider it important to provide the precise birthplace.
For example, an ancestor from Co Limerick would just state Limerick as
his/her birthplace but not identify if this was Limerick city or a village
within Co Limerick.
The possible list of reasons for errors is enormousso at the end of the
day we really need to add:
"from the information available all the dates
given are a true and accurate record as can be estimated".
to Index to West Limerick Families Abroad
by Kate Press
& Valerie Thompson
Index (only) to Poverty to Promise
by Dr Christoper
& Valerie Thompson
West Limerick Families Abroad
by Kate Press and Valerie
The Lure of Limerick
|In 1853 as the parents of Mary Barrett of Shanagolden, County Limerick
had both died, she took advantage of sponsorship offered by local
landlord, Lord Monteagle to travel to Victoria, Australia on the
Monteagle. She soon was employed by Mrs Hollis of South Bourke Street,
Melbourne for 25 a year plus rations.
Like many other Irish settlers,
out of her wages Mary remitted 6 to Ireland to assist with the fares of
her siblings Bridget, Ellen, Catherine, Michael and John. Other relatives,
Catherine and Mary Corbett, also made the long journey. Lord Monteagle
advanced the remaining sum needed for their deposits while Lady Monteagle
used her influence to ensure that the family travelled together at a time
when, due to the gold rushes, assisted immigration for single males into
Victoria was not generally permitted. After arriving in Geelong on the
Chandenagore on 21 June 1854, Mary's family went to Collingwood to join
Mary Barrett's story came to light in documents associated with the
'Monteagle emigrants'. These were Australian-Irish who had previously
lived within the influence of a local parliamentary member for Limerick
(and later, Cambridge), Thomas Spring Rice and his family around his
estate at Mount Trenchard overlooking the Shannon Estuary. (This is the
same man who during his term as Secretary of State for the Colonies
applied for leave to bring in a bill to establish criminal courts on
Norfolk Island in the 1830s.) The history of this migration between 1838
and 1858, was told in a 1994 book, Poverty to Promise, written by Limerick
researcher, Dr Christopher O'Mahony and Australian social historian,
Following the success of this volume which identified about 736 of the
settlers, Valerie Thompson now has joined forces with Kate Press of
Melbourne to broaden the study to include West Limerick people who left
the area up to the end of the nineteenth century including those seeking
homes in places other than the two largest Australian colonies. The new
quarto sized book, West Limerick Families Abroad, is most comprehensive,
offering ready identification of over 1,000 family names, showing not only
their Irish origins but also their issue in the new countries of
Quite apart from the 214 pages allocated to West Limerick families'
biographies, several appendices supplement the text contributing prolific
references for anyone researching this particular county. A chronology of
Irish history is augmented by a time-line for appropriate records before a
more detailed listing of local sources ranging from census, histories,
journals and directories, to gravestone inscriptions and graveyard
records. Valuable schedules including the Limerick newspapers with their
dates of publication as well as parish structures -covering the Roman
Catholic, civil, and Church of Ireland equivalents and dates - appear in
alphabetical groupings under both civil and Roman Catholic headings.
Further amplification is offered by the reproduction of the section
dealing with the Monteagle property in the 1844 Enquiry into the
Occupation of Land in Ireland in addition to the inclusion of numerous
Limerick entries that appeared in The Search for Missing Friends: Irish
immigrant advertisements placed in the Boston Pilot, published by the New
England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston, Massachusetts. Following
a section on faction fighters and a couple of entries on convicts, the
List of Contributors provides contact details for genealogists eager to
link families. This well illustrated volume, of which only 1,000 copies
were printed, is an essential reference book for libraries and society
collections. West Limerick Families Abroad, by Kate Press and Valerie
Thompson, Melbourne, 2001 is available from Data Tree Publishing, contact
Tony Press, 71 Claremont Avenue, Malvern, Victoria, 3144 for A$28.95 plus postage and
packing (within Australia) of A$11.00.
The Shine and Sheehy family of Co Limerick and the Burke and Coffey family of Co Clare
A story of chain migration from Co Limerick and Co Clare, Ireland to
Kate Press, C/O Tony Press, 71 Claremont Avenue, Malvern Victoria 3144 Australia.
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